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Post by ahayawarrior on Jun 14, 2009 19:25:52 GMT -5
Glory be to the Father Son and Holy Spirit! Good day to all. I have a question. What does the bible say about people that claim to be born in the wrong body. I understand how and why people become gay but I am extremely confused about the whole born in the wrong body. Are fetuses essentially female in the womb until a certain time? Or is this another lie from the satanic mass media. What is the deal with people being born in the wrong body? Can a girl really be trapped in a man's body or vice versa? Plz I really need this information. Thanks to all my brothers and sisters in Ahaya. Bless you all!!
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Post by LDM on Jun 14, 2009 20:29:20 GMT -5
Hi AhayaWarrior,
I cannot personally think of a Scripture that deals with this specific topic, so maybe others can chime in. However, I do believe that Scripture lays a groundwork for understanding this type of thing.
You are touching on two different things. There is the medical science of how children develop in the womb and there is the spiritual reality of how God creates life.
There are several Scriptures which indicate that God has formed us from the womb. This indicates that He has a plan for us and in His creation of us, from that time we are first formed in the womb. That is a long way of me saying that I don't believe that God makes mistakes.
Yet, when you speak of being in the "wrong body", this is largely a function of the mind. It is an issue of reconciliation with the mind's acceptance of the physical body.
We know that the mind is a spiritual entity. "And be renewed in the spirit of your mind." (Ephesians 4:23)
If we have to be "renewed" in our minds upon coming to Christ, then it should not be a surprise to know that our minds are off kilter and dead without Him. As such, we shouldn't be surprised to know that our perceptions about the world and even our own selves will be defiled outside of Jesus Christ. So, I believe that what you describe is primarily a spiritual problem.
Numbers 14:18 also says the following:
"The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. "
We inherit a spiritual lineage when we are born, just like we have a physical one - whether for good or for bad. Some of these issues are the result of generational curses due to the sins of our fathers. Yet, when we come in faith to Jesus Christ and give our lives to Him, we get access to the power to break those curses.
We should also consider how Satan's plan is to do exactly what you describe - make man the opposite of what he was created to be. As discussed in the blog series The Upside Down Kingdom, Satan is attempting to pervert the image of man by making him a sodomite. Even today, we have women walking around who are spiritually men and men walking around who are spiritually women. Whether this is ever expressed in any sexual way (i.e. homosexuality), it is the spiritual realty of how they live. Satan uses whatever means he can to pervert the image of a man and a woman, because doing so also perverts one's image of God.
So, whether there are men or women born under oppression of demonic influences that makes their minds at odds with their physical bodies or whether it is a man or woman who are in rebellion against how God has created them, the blood of Jesus is able to cleanse us and renew our minds.
Look also at the following:
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." I Corinthians 6:9-11
This is one of my favorite Scriptures. In this verse is relayed the promise of God to change us from our fallen state. We may have been "effiminate" (The Greek word malakos meaning homosexual), BUT now we are washed, sanctified, and justified.
I do believe it is possible for one to feel as if he/she is trapped in the wrong physical body. However, I believe this is due to demonic influence. Once we are reconciled to God through Jesus Christ, He is able to renew our minds so that we can see ourselves as He sees us.
I also thank you because you taught me something new tonight. I couldn't figure out who or what "Ahaya" meant. I believe you are referencing the text in Exodus 3:14, "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." As I looked more into "Ahaya" I saw that this is Hebrew for "I Am."
Not many understand that we are in fact in a spiritual war and I pray that God strengthen you in this fight.
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Post by gcprice on Jun 15, 2009 14:15:17 GMT -5
To Ahayawarrior
I believe that the mass media and the religious world are both negligent when it comes to the reality of Satan, fallen angels and disembodied demon spirits who work to contaminate the human mind, feelings, desires, perceptions, conceptions and realities about life. Demons have desires that are not natural and these desires can be transferred to a human being even inside of the womb, i.e. the moonstruck boy (lunatic) that Jesus cast a demon out of and the Gadarene demoniac (Mark, chapter5). Without and understanding of the spirit world and the infiltration of the demons into human character no discussion about homosexuality will have the right foundation. Homosexuality is not a choice, it is not a predisposition at birth, it is not a disease, it is a demon spirit that has to be cast out of a person and then the damage caused by the demon has to be repaired by the renewing of the mind (Romans 12:1). A lot of individuals don't understand the dynamics of a spiritual war, so they laugh and scoff at Christians that are engaging these spiritual forces sent from Satan to destroy us all. Approach the topic of homosexuality understanding that this is a living unseen personality that lives inside of the imprisoned human's soul and everything else makes sense. The presence of the demon from birth is usually the result of a bloodline curse because someone in the family was a witch or warlock, child sacrifice was made to Satan (i..e. abortion), or some other form of rebellion has occurred. We don't wrestle with flesh and blood, we deal with spirit beings who are hell bent on enslaving the human race. Only the Lord can save us and I beg him to every day as the world falls deeper into the delusions and snares of the devil. Why? Because the demonic invasion has intensified!! We need power, (Mark 16:17)!!
gcprice
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Post by ahayawarrior on Jun 15, 2009 20:41:47 GMT -5
Thanks to gcprice and LDM. The information you guys just provided me with helped me a lot. You guys are absolutely amazing. I cannot thank you enough. I understand now. Praise be to Ahaya. And Bless you both for taking the time out of your day to help me.
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Post by truthteller38 on Jun 16, 2009 13:51:12 GMT -5
Biologically speaking when the sperm meets the egg and fertilization takes place the gender is determined. This is because the sperm was either and x-chromosome for girl or a y-chromosome for a boy. It is false that babies are all girls first and then become boys. Because of science (i.e. ultrasounds) a picture can be taken of the baby while in the womb. Because of this technology they have discovered that you cannot tell the difference in the genitalia of a boy or girl prior to 10-13+ weeks of gestation. The genitalia looks about the same. Then it begins to differentiate itself greatly after about 10-13 weeks of gestation. By 20 weeks of gestation you can with great certainty tell what the gender is. Which is why most doctors (barring any complications) will schedule and ultrasound between 18 to 20 weeks and they will then inform the parent of the gender if they want to know.
Biblically speaking the responses form GCPrice and LDM says it all.
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Post by ahayawarrior on Jun 17, 2009 3:11:44 GMT -5
I had a feeling that wasn't true. But before I started walking with Ahaya, I remember watching the Gwen Arayuo (however you spell it) on Lifetime and I remember someone on there saying that all fetuses are female until a certain point and some people have female bodies and male brains or vice versa. But again thank you all for the information. I am so grateful.
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Post by LDM on Jul 27, 2009 11:02:11 GMT -5
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Post by maizie on Aug 22, 2009 20:40:10 GMT -5
gcprice, there are so few people that want to know the truth of the spirit behind one who believes themselves to be homosexual. A sister in Christ told of her sister having been delivered from a homosexual spirit. It had changed her sister's appearance and even her voice. It is much more popular to build a wide range of rationalization for why people do what they do rather than seeking out the truth from God and His word.
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Post by newstartnow on Aug 23, 2009 8:19:58 GMT -5
Also, Maizie, people just don't believe in demon possession. They think it's something from the movies or something that can't happen to anyone they know.
Unfortunately, the "church" doesn't teach it because then they would have to actually cast demons out of people.
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Post by gcprice on Aug 24, 2009 17:46:32 GMT -5
One thing is for sure in an age filled with tatooed bodies, sexual perversion, pierced tongues and tribal markings on the flesh as well as the voodoo and ritual witchcraft music that Satan has marketed as hip-hop we had better be ready to engage a demon possessed world with the power of God to cast the devil out and set the captive free. It's time to fast and pray like never before because the battle is upon us. The New World Order and Satanist believe that this is their time to shine, let's save the souls and illuminate the lost. Love to all the saints!! Listen to some of the messages at www.omegaministry.org. gcprice
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